共享资源:讨论页指引

Shortcuts: COM:TALK • COM:TPG

有两种类型的“讨论页面” - 标准讨论页面用于讨论共享页面或文件，而用户讨论页面用于与其他用户通信或给他们留言。每个页面都有一个关联的讨论页，“Special:”名称空间的页面除外。如果某个页面没有讨论，则其讨论页面的链接将为红色。您仍然可以讨论该页面 - 您只是第一个这样做的人。

本页面提供有关在维基共享资源上使用标准讨论页面和用户讨论页面的指南。

布局

• 縱向進行：越晚來，就在越底部發言。

• Use indenting to keep the conversation straight: The first contributor is all the way to the left, the next person starts with one colon (:), the next person starts with two colons. Then, when the first contributor responds, they start at the left margin again, and the second and third persons continue to mark themselves with one and two colons respectively. In that way, who is saying what is clear. Other indentation systems are also widely used.

• Separate discussion topics: Put each new topic under a different headline (== Subject ==). The "Post a comment" feature accomplishes this automatically when you enter a subject line. The edit summary is automatically the same as this header. Thus every thread is a section. This allows section editing of the thread in question (see w:Wikipedia:Sections).

• Use whitespace when making a point by point discussion: While conciseness in a talk page discussions is always desirable, sometimes, when engaged in point by point discussions, it is impossible to be brief. In such cases, use paragraph breaks when you've reached the end of your discussion of one point. This results in a much clearer post, that is also easier to respond to.

标记

• Sign your posts: Signing your post is a common courtesy which allows people an easy way to see who is speaking; unsigned posts are confusing. To sign and date a post, type four tilde characters (~~~~) or click the signature button in your edit toolbar.

• Avoid markup: Don't use a lot of Italic text, Bold text, or CAPITAL LETTERS. These are considered SHOUTING, and contribute to the view that you are RANTING!!!!!

• Voting: Various pages invite you to vote on a topic. Using the posting conventions of this section, add your vote as a bullet (*) underneath the relevant topic and bold (''') your actual vote. (You may use one of the polling templates.) Your vote will typically not carry much weight unless you include your rationale for the vote. Make sure to sign your post (~~~~), as described above.

讨论页上的标题

Refrain from using headers to personally address people on talk pages. Headers should be used to facilitate discussion by indicating and limiting topics related to the associated page. For instance, you could make a header whose title describes in a few words one problem you have with that page. This will make it easy for people to address that issue, work towards consensus, and eventually resolve the issue or dispute and improve that page.

存档

Shortcut

• COM:ARCHIVE

“Commons:ARCHIVE”重定向至此。對於历史存档，請參閱Commons:GLAM。

存档而不是删除：当讨论页面的内容变得非常大或者当前问题的讨论已经平息并且没有人有合理的机会添加内容时，创建一个新页面并移动那里的内容。 （有关详细信息，请参阅 帮助:目录 和 w:Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page。）

手动存档

1. Create the archive page in the talk or Commons talk namespace – usually as a subpage of the original talk page. Give it an explanatory name. Often people simply add "archive" to the original name, for example User talk:Example/Archive 1. If it's not obvious from the page name, explain on the archive page where the text you plan to archive will come from and provide a link. Cut the relevant content from the original page and paste it into the new page. Add the {{Talkarchive}} template or the {{Automatic archive navigator}} template at the top.

1. Replace the text on the original page with a link to the archive, or use a template such as {{Archive box}} at the top of the page. In some cases it may be appropriate to summarise ("refactor") the discussion and provide a link to the version with the full text.

自动存档

• ArchiverBot provides an automated archiving service. Instructions for activating it for a page are at mw:Manual:Pywikibot/archivebot.py/setup and w:Help:Archiving a talk page (follow the instructions for lowercase sigmabot III). For pages other than your own talk page, first ensure there is a consensus for automated archiving. To quickly use a standard setup to archive your user talk page, see User:MiszaBot/usertalksetup.

• SpBot's Autoarchive resolved section (see there for setup instructions) provides an automated archiving service for sections which have been tagged as “resolved”. To quickly use a standard setup to archive your user talk page, see Template:Autoarchive resolved section/usertalksetup.

沟通良好实践

讨论页可能被用来做什么？

討論頁不是拿來聊天用的。請保持討論不偏題，以求改善相關頁面。

For issues which have an verifiably correct and relatively undisputed answer, please do feel free to use the talk pages to facilitate fact checking (which sometimes includes resolving disputes over factual accuracy).

概述

To avoid communication problems, try to keep yourself on the top sections of this scheme.

• Assume good faith: In other words, try to consider the person on the other end of the discussion is a thinking, rational being who is trying to positively contribute to Commons — unless, and only unless, you have firm, solid, and objective proof to the contrary. Merely disagreeing with you is no such proof.

• Communicate: When communicating on a talk page, answer if somebody asks for further explanation of your edits. Don't just repeat yourself instead.

• Be concise: If your post is longer than 100 words and is not a detailed, point by point discussion, consider shortening the result. Long, rambling messages are frequently difficult to understand, and therefore difficult to deal with appropriately. As a result, rambling posts are frequently either ignored, or misunderstood.

• Keep the discussion readable: Do not edit or remove comments made by other people unless they are offensive, uncivil or otherwise violate the guidelines or policies of Commons. Otherwise, such edits are rude and make it difficult for others to follow discussions. Often it is clearer to strike a comment, rather than to change or delete it, especially if it is followed by a response. Use <s>struck through comment</s> to generate struck through comment. This guidance applies to discussions other than on your own user talk page, but is good practice on your page, also.

其他惯例

• Make links freely: Links to pages are as useful on talk pages as anywhere else, and links to non-existent pages can help get them onto the most wanted pages list.

• 在描述時間時使用世界協調時間（UTC），例如編輯或移動頁面之時間。

• When discussing the name of the page, cite the current name: if the page is moved afterwards, the Talk page is usually also moved, so then it would not be clear what you were talking about and people may think e.g. that you are suggesting to change the new name, while you were referring to the old one.

争议

If you are having a disagreement or a problem with someone's behavior, please read w:Wikipedia:Resolving disputes.

如何避免滥用讨论页

Most people take pride in their work and in their point of view. Egos can easily get hurt in editing, but Talk pages are not a place for striking back. They're a good place to comfort or undo damage to egos, but most of all they're for forging agreements that are best for the pages they're attached to.

这里有几点要记住

• If someone disagrees with you, this does not necessarily mean that (1) the person hates you, (2) the person thinks you're stupid, (3) the person is stupid, etc. When people post opinions without practical implications for the page, it's best to just leave them be.

• A talk page post may not be necessary. Before initiating discussion, ask yourself: Is this really necessary to discuss? Could I provide a summary with my edit and wait for others to quibble if they like?

• You can always take a discussion to e-mail or to your user page if it's not essential to the page.

关于礼貌讨论的一些提示

• Always make clear what point you are addressing, especially in replies.
  • Quoting a post is O.K., but stating how you interpreted it is better. Before proceeding to say that someone is wrong, concede you might have misinterpreted them.

• Don't label or personally attack people or their edits.
  • Terms like "racist," "sexist" or even "poorly written" make people defensive. This makes it hard to discuss pages productively.

其他建议的话

An outline for a Wikicovenant from Kingturtle:

• Make others feel welcome (even longtime participants; even those you dislike)
• Create and continue a friendly environment
• Turn the other cheek (which includes walking away from potential edit wars)
• Give praise, especially to those you don't know (most people like to know they are wanted and appreciated)
• Forgive.

用户讨论页

我可以对自己的用户对话页面做任何我想做的事吗？

Most users treat their user talk pages like regular talk pages, and archive the contents periodically to a personal subpage—either when the page gets too large, on a regular schedule, or when they take a wikivacation. Others delete comments after they have responded to them (but this practice is not recommended—archiving is preferred). To easily and quickly set up automatic archiving there are standard setups available (see above).

Do not attempt to redirect your user talk page to a talk page on another Wikimedia project. Not only do such redirects not work, but they also inconvenience others for the sake of one's own convenience, remove Commons-related discussions from Commons, and cause problems with message templates which are only available on Commons. If you do not visit Commons regularly, you can edit your preferences to enable e-mail notifications for new talk page messages (go to Preferences and look for the “Email options” section; see also Help:Email notification). Redirecting your user talk page to another page on Commons (whether meant as a joke or intended to be offensive or to send a "go away" message) can also be considered a hostile act.

Feel free to decorate your personal pages as you see fit, but keep in mind that your user talk page has the important function of allowing other editors to communicate with you. People will get upset if they cannot use it for that purpose.

如何保持双向对话可读

If you are writing messages back and forth between user talk pages, the resulting text can be hard to following. Here are two systems for making what would otherwise be disjointed comments easier to follow:

• Copy the text you are replying to from your user talk page to the other person's user talk page. Put your reply right underneath it, but indent the reply section so it stands out. (Just like a regular talk page.)

OR:

• Put a notice on your user talk page that you'll reply there unless they ask otherwise. Do this for conversations that other people start.
• Watchlist the other person's user talk page and tell them they can reply there. Do this for conversations you start.

参见

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