User talk:Yann

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God is busy, may I help you? / Dieu est occupé, puis-je vous aider?

You can leave me a message in English or French, at the bottom. Click here. Yann 22:13, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Commons Photographers User Group: Board Elections 2023 - Nomination Phase

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

the 2023 board election of our group is run at

Commons:Commons Photographers User Group/Board Elections 2023.

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We are very much looking forward to hearing from you. Please use this talk page for your thoughts.

All the best

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File:Money Cash.jpg

What was the resolution of this image? Is there a way to disable the commons delinker bot? This was a thumbnail for a Signpost issue last year which I apparently have to go manually find and try to re-derive the resolution for. JPxG (talk) 03:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@JPxG: Sorry, but there doesn't seem to be a valid license for this file. The resolution is 3,008 × 2,000 (5,119,385 bytes). Regards, Yann (talk) 11:54, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Stan praw autorskich: File:Hermann Gerlich, 1932.jpg

I am attaching a link to the source of the license; https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/6212932/obiekty/470953. This is a government open source: National Digital Archives Marcin Meducki (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Marcin Meduck: Hi,

OK, I added a license. Could you please add categories? Thanks, Yann (talk) 22:35, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Replaced licensing on images

Added licensing in files commons:File:Емблема Кам'янець-Подільського ліцею з посиленою військово-фізичною підготовкою.jpg ,commons:File:Емблема Тульчинського ліцею з посиленою військово-фізичною підготовкою.png , commons:File:Емблема Луганського обласного ліцею з посиленою військово-фізичною підготовкою.png , commons:File:Емблема Буковинського ліцею з посиленою військово-фізичною підготовкою.png , commons:File:Kryvorizʹkyy litsey logo.png . Олександр Гаркуша (talk) 08:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you remove the "No permission since" template from these files? I have already specified the license of the files.Thank you! Олександр Гаркуша (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Small request

Hello Yann! Could you, please, block the October 24 version of File:Aventuras de Hans Staden (6ª edição).pdf in the same way you have done with File:Meu amor! adoro-te!.pdf? Thanks! Erick Soares3 (talk) 01:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done Yann (talk) 11:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Someone went against my SD/Copyvio deletion for the copyrighted images (here and here), by thinking that the text and the illustrations necessary had the same copyright (like in the US). Erick Soares3 (talk) 20:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Issue

Hi, Yann, File:IJVBarasoainChurch2.jpg was deleted by mistake, as it was the redirect target of File:Simabahang Barasoain.jpg. 0x0a (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done OK, undeleted. I don't know what happened. Yann (talk) 19:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

You may not have noticed that the file I marked as 'duplicate' has been redirected. It's okay now, I've restored the link to it. 0x0a (talk) 20:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Uploading >70 year old photos

Hi @Yann, thank you for your reply in Commons:Help desk/Archive/2023/10#Uploading >70 year old photos. I did some reading on URAA; I am still unsure though how one can check whether a picture or work is protected by URAA? For example in the obituary published by WILEY, would one try to check whether WILEY filed to have this journal copyright extended? (My understanding was that URAA did not automatically extend foreign copyrights but one had to file? (although I'm still confused...) Best, Blue.painting (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

@Blue.painting: Hi,

In brief, if it was published less than 95 years ago, the copyright may have been renewed in USA by URAA. See COM:URAA for the details. Yes, it is a major headache for old pictures. Yann (talk) 18:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

User:Dalvago

It looks like right after you deleted File:EBR distressed logo.png, Dalvago uploaded File:EBR logo black.png. I assume that they are similar images just on the name. Based on the discussion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:1932 WVBR student photo.png I don't think Dalvago understands copyright (or is just ignoring it). Counterfeit Purses (talk) 21:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Mickey au Camp de Gurs

Bonjour, Les image de ce livres sont toutes sur Commons, je me demande si "Walt Disney" ne pourrais pas ramener sa fraise. --Le ciel est par dessus le toit (talk) 09:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@Le ciel est par dessus le toit: Bonjour,

Question intéressante ! Cela n'a-t-il vraiment jamais été publié avant 2003 ? Si c'est le cas, il semble que c'est dans le domaine public aux États-Unis, hormis le souci avec Mickey, qui sera probablement dans le domaine prochain le 1er janvier prochain. Sinon, ce sera dans le domaine public aux États-Unis 95 ans après la publication. Dans ce cas, il faudrait transférer les images sur Wikisource. Yann (talk) 18:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Je sais bien que tu n’as pas trop de temps, mais te serait-il possible d’effectuer ce transfert car je ne sais comment faire, sinon je supprimerai pour violation des droits d’auteur la page existante sur wikisource. Merci pour la réponse. --Le ciel est par dessus le toit (talk) 12:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Le ciel est par dessus le toit: Vu que c'est probablement OK pour Commons dans un mois et demi, on peut peut-être attendre. Yann (talk) 13:17, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok merci d’avoir pris du temps pour me répondre --Le ciel est par dessus le toit (talk) 13:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Undelete please: Renée Rienties Camille 2023.jpg

Hello,

I thought we have seven days to take care of licensing a new image.

You deleted File:Renée Rienties Camille 2023.jpg yesterday. The image-author send an authorize email to your Dutch department, so please undelete the file, so that department can confirm the license, please.

Thanks, Sidney.Cortez (talk) 05:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sidney.Cortez: Hi,

Do you have the ticket number? Yann (talk) 08:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I got no ticket number but the license authorization mail has been send two days ago to permissions-nl@wikimedia.org

Sidney.Cortez (talk) 12:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Then wait for the volunteers to process the permission. The file will be undeleted if and when the permission is validated. Yann (talk) 12:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Another small request

Can you block the version of File:HenryIIGospels.jpg? There is an AI-generated version of it and a user called User:Finsoja4 keeps on doing this. [[User:Flag Creator|Flag Creator]] (talk) 13:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done User blocked. Yann (talk) 14:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

File copyright status

Hello, Yann. I am writing about this file. There are no permissions on this file, and since there is no exif information, we cannot know whether the file belongs to the user who uploaded it. Best regards, Gadir (talk) 12:40, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Copyright necklaces

Hello! I can see that you are very capable of understanding international copyright laws. Perhaps you could help me with copyright of costume jewellery, in particular Italian glass beaded necklaces from Venice and Murano. I asked a question in Bar Italiano, but nobody answered me. I know that some producers/artists explicitly forbid to photograph their necklaces for all other purposes than private (for example Ercole Moretti [1] : the sale of products through this website is intended solely for the Users’ personal use, to the exclusion of any professional purposes. All texts, images and design deriving from the products and from images of the products featured on this website are protected under Law 633/1941 and under Legislative Decree 30/2005. Their (even partial) use is prohibited. Others don't mention anything about that on their websites, like for example [2]. I have found only such a short information about Italian copyright of necklaces: [3]. Would you like to advise me something? With kind regards. Hortensja Bukietowa (talk) 12:54, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hortensja Bukietowa: Hi,

This is a difficult question, and I don't think it can be answered generally. Each jewellery may have a different copyright status depending of the age, source country, and place at the time the picture is taken. Of course, some creators want to reserve the right to distribute pictures of their creations, but it is not for them to decide what can be done, and what can't. It is the law and the courts which can decide that. Anyway, you can only publish the pictures you take yourself. And it is not because the website doesn't mention anything that pictures of these items can be distributed freely. For example, complex jewellery can certainly have a copyright (this one is too old for that). On the opposite, simple ones certainly don't. There are obviously a very large numbers of cases in between, some of which can't really be decided. I hope this help. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your clear answer. I am afraid that the wedding cake beads (in Italian fiorato) which I took photos of are just in between. The files, 4 or 5, were deleted on my request by administrator Cybularny not such a long time ago. Perhaps you can see the deleted photos with your administrator's tools and decide whether the photos can be restored into Commons or not. I have one simple modern bead, so I will take a photo of it one day. It is a very tiny bead... I need the photos to illustrate the article about Venetian/Murano beads that is still in my draft [4]. There are only photos of historical Murano/Venetian beads. The modern ones are not original. Is there maybe a standard letter that I could send to a few Murano/Venetian bead making glass artists with a request of uploading into Commons a few own photos for educational purposes? What do you think about this idea? With kind regards. Hortensja Bukietowa (talk) 09:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the cake beads are very complex works, and I wouldn't support publication without approval from the author. File:Chainwithatassel;.jpg and File:Rosesinavase001.jpg are IMO probably OK. File:Brooch88.jpg and File:Brooch89.jpg may be OK, but I am not sure. You could ask on COM:VPC for more opinions. Do you know what's the image source for the Mozart chocolates? If it is a copy from a public domain image, these would be OK. See COM:VRT#Email message template for release of rights to a file for a example of permission. It should be changed, saying that the artist is the author of the jewellery, and that you are the author of the pictures. Yann (talk) 13:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I thought so. The other files, which you mentioned above (red links), I don't want to restore because of some other reasons. So let it be. Mozart chocolates were in a box, but 1 or 2 photos were left on Commons, so it's okey with me. Commons rules and Copyright rules are complex. Thank you once more for your kind explanation and last but not least for the Autopatroller right. Maybe I will contact via e-mail 1 or 2 Murano glass beads artists to upload a few own photos of their own creations into Commons. I know that some contemporary artists do that. I must think about this idea carefully, about the pros and the cons. Have a nice day! Hortensja Bukietowa (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

A piece of cake

	for all your effort
	Thank you for being a helpful admin! Hortensja Bukietowa (talk) 14:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

MOTD Notification

⭐ A file you uploaded is on the main page! ⭐ File:Manuscrit de Marcel Proust btv1b6000655q.pdf, that you uploaded, is on the main page today. Thank you for your contributions to this project.

//EatchaBot (talk) 00:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

File:Delta-Operators-1.jpg

Hi u speedy deleted this linked pic. Can we first discuss it before we do a speedy? Also stock image holders use official government pics like this wich we have File:US Navy 040525-N-3953L-246 Navy SEALs practice Over The Beach evolutions during a training exercise.jpg.--Sanandros (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, This isn't a government picture. It is under a copyright by "SIPA/Press Picture". Yann (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes I know but can we check that claim in a discussion? Because I couldn't find it on the Sipa webpage.--Sanandros (talk) 06:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done OK. Yann (talk) 16:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok thx.--Sanandros (talk) 17:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

en:File:VyondHeadquarters.jpg

I want you to delete my file Vyond Headquarters because I want to move the file to Wikimedia commons . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VyondHeadquarters.jpg Кингзјевонњикимен (talk) 11:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Кингзјевонњикимен: I am not an admin on English Wikipedia, you have to ask there. Yann (talk) 16:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Insigne et patch du Bataillon Bolivar du 3^e de la Légion internationale pour la défense territoriale de l'Ukraine

Bonjour @Yann
Vous avez demandé la suppression des fichiers File:Coat of arms of the “Batallon Bolivar”.jpg et File:Parche_del_Batallón_Bolívar.jpg et les fichiers ont été supprimés avant que je puisse savoir pourquoi.
Qu’elle en était la raison?
Christian28TMA (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Christian28TMA: File:Parche del Batallón Bolívar.jpg a été copié depuis Twitter, and didn't have a license. File:Coat of arms of the “Batallon Bolivar”.jpg a été copié depuis un site web sans permission. Yann (talk) 19:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Merci @Yann: de ta réponse rapide.
Mais il n'y a pas besoin de permission pour copier une image du domaine public, ou je me trompe ? Christian28TMA (talk) 21:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

En creusant le sujet, j'ai trouvé la loi ukrainienne en question : УКРАЇНИ Про авторське право і суміжні права du 15-04-2023 

Article 8 Objets non protégés par le droit d'auteur

alinéa 4 : symboles d'État, récompenses d'État ; signes d'État, emblèmes, symboles et signes des autorités de l'État, des forces armées de l'Ukraine et d'autres formations militaires de l'Ukraine, approuvés par les autorités de l'État ; symboles des communautés territoriales de l'Ukraine, approuvés par les organes d'autonomie locale compétents ;

Il serait bon de mettre à jour le modèle {{PD-UA-exempt|type=patches}} qui cite une loi obsolète : il faudrait remplacer Article 10 par Article 8 et modifier aussi le wikisource par la traduction de la loi à jour. Je ne sais pas le faire, ni à qui m'adresser, je ne maitrise pas l'anglais suffisamment , pourrais tu t'en charger ?

merci de ta réponse

Christian28TMA (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Christian28TMA: Are documents copied from social media also covered? I suggest you ask on COM:UDR to get a consensus. I won't oppose undeletion there. Yann (talk) 09:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour @Yann:

Nous ne sommes pas ici devant des documents copiés sur des réseaux sociaux, mais sur des documents du domaine public ukrainiens qui ont été reproduits sur des réseaux sociaux, ce qui est autorisé, puisque ces insignes sont du domaine public, et qui ensuite, ont été copiés, mais dans ce cas, ce n'est pas le fait qu'ils aient transité par un réseau social qui en ferait des documents sous droit d'auteur, le fait que l'État ukrainien approuve (de jure ou de facto) le port de ces insignes par des soldats de l'armée régulière ukrainienne exclu définitivement ces insignes de la Loi de l'Ukraine sur le droit d'auteur et les droits connexes du 15-04-2023 conformément à son article 8 alinéa 4 (УКРАЇНИ Про авторське право і суміжні права від 15.04.2023 р. п.4 ст.8).

Il n'y a pas lieu de demander un consensus sur Wikipédia : ce n'est pas à Wikipédia de décider qu'un insigne ukrainien du domaine public, reproduit sur un réseau social, passerait sous copyright. Ces insignes font partie du domaine public ukrainien, et leur reproduction, sur un réseau social ou ailleurs, ne peut pas les exclure du domaine public.

Comment fait-on pour demander la restauration de ces deux pages, ce n'est pas moi qui les avais publiés, et la licence inscrite n'était surement pas la bonne qui est {{PD-UA-exempt}}. Je pourrais aussi les publier moi-même à partir de ma collection personnelle, mais cela doublerait les pages si elles sont restaurées

Merci de votre réponse, cordialement

Christian28TMA (talk) 12:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Christian28TMA: Ce n'est pas si simple. Documents du domaine public ukrainiens qui ont été reproduits sur des réseaux sociaux. Où est la preuve ? La source [5] est un écusson de volontaires du Vénézuela. Cela n'a rien à voir avec le gouvernement ukrainien, et je ne vois pas pourquoi "PD-UA-exempt" s'appliquerait à ce fichier. Les termes et conditions de l'autre fichier ne mentionnent aucune licence libre, et au contraire, prohobitent la reproduction des documents du site. La seule chose de certaine est que ces documents ont été publiés sans licence libre sur des sites web externes qui ne sont pas les sites du gouvernement ukrainien. Enfin, ceci n'a rien à voir avec Wikipédia. COM:UDR est la page de Commons qui permet de voir des fichiers restaurés. Yann (talk) 13:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yann: Ces fichiers représentent les insignes officiels du bataillon de l'armée ukrainienne "Bataillon Bolivar", en conséquence, l'ensemble de sa symbolique est exclue de copyright par la loi ukrainienne (en ligne sur le site officiel du gouvernement ukrainien ici => УКРАЇНИ Про авторське право і суміжні права від 15.04.2023 р. п.4 ст.8. )

Il existe sur Wikipédia Commons un template spécialement dédié aux œuvres ukrainiennes exclues du copyright du fait de cette loi précédemment citée. En conséquence, les insignes d'unités militaires ukrainiennes sur Wikipédia sont censés avoir la bonne licence, c'est-à-dire domaine public, et, puisqu'il existe un template spécialement dédié aux œuvres ukrainienne exclue du copyright par cette loi, et que toutes les insignes d'unités militaires ukrainiennes sont exclues du copyright du fait de cette loi ukrainienne, il y a lieu d'utiliser ce template pour toutes les insignes d'unités militaires ukrainiennes.

En ce qui concerne la preuve que cette unité de l'armée ukrainienne existe, vous pouvez la trouver sur les pages officielle de cette unité sur les réseaux TikTok et Télégram qui sont les organes privilégiés par l'Armée Ukrainienne (sources primaires), vous avez une source secondaire en un reportage sur la chaîne YouTube DNews qui est la chaine YouTube officielle du programme télévision payant par satellite DirectTV ici "Batallón Bolívar", Nueva unidad internacional para apoyar la defensa del mundo libre - sur DNEWS (source secondaire), vous pourrez même y visualiser à 3'19 l'insigne de manche droite officiel de la section combat de cette unité

Il est donc approprié de restaurer ces pages concernant des œuvres du domaine public ukrainien que vous avez supprimé au motif erroné qu'elle représentait des œuvres sous copyright alors qu'elles représentent des œuvres ukrainiennes du domaine public, et il est approprié de corriger la licence erronée de ces pages en y apposant le template dédié aux œuvres ukrainienne exclue du champ d'application du copyright par la loi cité par ce template.

Merci d'avance

Cordialement

Christian28TMA (talk) 16:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of Dr Mc Ginley portrait copyright

Hi Yann, I don't understand how I need permission from the heirs of Sean O' Sullivan to put up his portrait of Dr Mc Ginley in the hospital on Letterkenny. The portrait was commissioned by Letterkenny University Hospital and the money was raised in collections around Donegal. Surely when the committee which ran the hospital paid O' Sullivan for his services, O' Sullivan passed on copyright of the painting to the hospital or the subject? Rockypopod (talk) 19:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rockypopod: Not necessarily. Anyway if that is the case, we need a proof. The copyright holder needs to confirm the permission for a free license via COM:VRT. Actually this picture is not very good. It would be better to ask for a good picture from the copyright holder. Yann (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Tarjetas electorales y Boletas de votación en Venezuela

Buenas soy nativo español, una pregunta las tarjetas electorales y Boletas de votación en Venezuela creadas en 1947 están en el Dominio Público como establece en el "PD-VenezuelaGov"?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 11:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Artist_impression_of_WASP-107b_and_its_parent_star_(IMAGE)

Bonjour @Yann, j'ai posé une question au bistro Commons car je ne sais pas dans quelle catégorie rentre l'image mentionnée dans le lien ci-dessous. N'ayant pas de réponse, pouvez-vous me renseigner ou me guider vers un autre interlocuteur Commons. Merci d'avance. Cordialement

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bistro#Artis_impression_oft_WASP-107b_and_its_parent_star_(IMAGE) Amage9 (talk) 15:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Amage9: Je suppose que vous parlez de File:WASP-107b (2018-26-4159).png et File:WASP-107b (2018-26-4159).tif. Ces images ont déjà des catégories qui me semblent adéquates. Cordialement, Yann (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Merci @Yann, l'image https://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/1005407 est plus récente et détaillée. C'est pourquoi j'aimerais l'ajouter dans Commons. Cordialement Amage9 (talk) 07:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yann Voici ce qui est indiqué en crédit et réutilisation :

Credit

Illustration: LUCA School of Arts, Belgium/ Klaas Verpoest (visuals), Johan Van Looveren (typography). Science: Achrène Dyrek (CEA and Université Paris Cité, France), Michiel Min (SRON, the Netherlands), Leen Decin (KU Leuven, Belgium) / European MIRI EXO GTO team / ESA / NASA

Usage Restrictions

This image may only be used with appropriate credit and in relation to the press release "James Webb Space Telescope detects water vapour, sulfur dioxide and sand clouds in the atmosphere of a nearby exoplanet", issued under embargo on November 13, 2023. Amage9 (talk) 08:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I got blocked

Hello Yann, I was blocked for uploading non-free images. Before you blocked me, you me sent a message saying that I am blocked until I fix the files with a proper source, date, author and license. I started correcting the files, but they were deleted (7 days later) since I did not bring them up to standards. They are now all deleted but I am still blocked even though I can no longer edit the files anymore. I would like to ask you if I am permanently blocked for uploading those non-free images or is there something I can do to be unblocked? Regards, M J Hurter (talk) 16:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@M J Hurter: Hi,

You can request undeletion on COM:UDR if you provide evidence that the files are in the public domain.

For the files not deleted, please fix the license of File:Maria Koopmans-de Wet.jpg, File:Johanna Van der Merwe.jpg, and others. You need to provide a date, at least approximative (like I did here), and if possible an author. I don't know where the claim of authors there comes from, I can't see that at the source. If you need help, you can ask on COM:VPC. Thanks, Yann (talk) 17:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yann: Thank you very much. Will I be unblocked as soon as I fix those remaining images? Thank you for your time and help. Regards, M J Hurter (talk) 17:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@M J Hurter: Yes, but you have at least 20 images to fix. The paintings also have the wrong license. Yann (talk) 17:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

not PD, unfortunately

You uploaded File:Monica Elfriede Witt in uniform.jpg as a PD replacement for File:Photo of American Fugitive Monica Elfriede Witt circa 2012-2013. Released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation - uploaded August 2023.jpg, but that photo also isn't PD. When I initially wrote Monica Witt, I contacted Air Force public affairs and asked about the status of that photo; the reply said it was produced by a contractor and wasn't a USAF product. That's why I uploaded and used File:Mon Witt ALS (cropped).jpg instead. Fourthords | =Λ= | 19:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fourthords: Hi,

I am surprised. This seems to be an official portrait from the US Air Force. Even if taken by a contractor, I suppose it is a work for hire, and therefore in the public domain. I can very well understand that the USAF doesn't always have the personnel to do this kind of jobs, so they employ civilians, but among all probabilities, they would get the copyright. Yann (talk) 20:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I've participated in and begun many deletion discussions in which the files were deleted because they were contracted and not military-works (e.g. here, here, here, and here). I've assumed that based on those discussions, and their precedences, that contracted photography by the US military would warrant deletion absent explicit evidence to the contrary. Does that make sense? Fourthords | =Λ= | 21:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)