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Esta página explica o papel dos administradores (as vezes chamados admins ou sysops) no Wikimedia Commons. Note que os detalhes de suas funções, e a maneira como os administradores são eleitos, podem ser diferentes de outros sites.

Se você deseja solicitar ajuda a um administrador, publique no Administrators' noticeboard.

Há atualmente 186 administradores no Commons.

O que é um administrador?

Administrators as of novembro 2023
Listing by: LanguageDateActivity [+/−]

Number of Admins: 186

  1. -revi, ko, en-3
  2. 1234qwer1234qwer4, ru, de-4, en-3
  3. 1Veertje, nl, en-4, de-1, fr-1
  4. 32X, de, en-2, hsb-1, ru-1
  5. 99of9, en (bureaucrat)
  6. A.Savin, ru, de-4, en-2
  7. Abzeronow, en, fr-1
  8. Achim55, de, en-3, nds-3, la-2
  9. AFBorchert, de, en-3
  10. Ahonc, uk, ru-4, en-2, de-1
  11. Aka, de, en-3
  12. Alno, fr, en-3, es-2, pt-1
  13. Андрей Романенко, ru, en-3, uk-3, be-2, fr-2, lv-2
  14. Ankry, pl, en-2, ru-1
  15. AnRo0002, de, en-2, fr-2, es-1
  16. Anthere, fr, en-3
  17. AntiCompositeNumber, en, fr-2 (steward)
  18. Aude, en, ar-2, de-2, es-3
  19. Benoît Prieur, fr, en-3, pt-2, es-1, it-1, hy-1
  20. Billinghurst, en
  21. Blackcat, it, en-3, fr
  22. BrightRaven, fr, en-3, nl-2, es-2, zh-1
  23. Butko, ru, uk-2, en-1
  24. Captain-tucker, en
  25. Christian Ferrer, fr, en-2, es-2
  26. Ciell, nl, en-2, de-1
  27. Common Good, en
  28. CptViraj, gu, hi-4, en-3
  29. Cromium, en, de-1, fr-1
  30. Cybularny, pl, en-2, es-1, de-1
  31. Czar, en
  32. DaB., de, en-1
  33. DarwIn, pt, en-3, es-2, fr-2, gl-2, ca-1, it-1, oc-1
  34. Davepape, en
  35. De728631, de, en-5
  36. DerHexer, de, en-3, grc-3, la-3, es-1 (steward)
  37. Dharmadhyaksha, mr, en-3, hi-3
  38. DMacks, en
  39. Didym, de, en-2, fr-2
  40. Dyolf77, ar, fr-5, en-2, it-1, es-1
  41. D-Kuru, de, en-2, it-1
  42. Ebrahim, fa, en-3
  43. Elcobbola en, de (checkuser)
  44. Ellin Beltz, en (bureaucrat)
  45. Ellywa, nl, en-2, de-1, fr-1
  46. Emha, de, bar, en-3, fr-1
  47. Érico, pt, en-2, es-1
  48. EugeneZelenko, ru, be, en-2, bg-1, pl-1 (bureaucrat)
  49. Explicit, en, es, ko-2
  50. Ezarate, es-3, en-1
  51. Fitindia, en-3, hi-2, mr-2
  52. FunkMonk, da, en-4, no-3, fo-2, sv-2, de-1, es-1
  53. Gbawden, en-3, af-1
  54. Geagea, he, ka-3, en-3, ru-1
  55. Geni, en
  56. George Chernilevsky, ru, uk-3, de-2, en-2, bg-1, la-1, be-1, fr-1
  57. Gestumblindi, als, de, en-3
  58. Gnangarra, en, nys-1
  59. GPSLeo, de, en-2
  60. GreenMeansGo, en
  61. Grin, hu, en-3, de-1
  62. Hekerui, de, en-4
  63. Herbythyme, en, fr-2, es-1, it-1
  64. Hesperian, en
  65. Holly Cheng, en, ja-2
  66. Huntster, en
  67. Indeedous, de, en-3, fr-2
  68. Infrogmation, en, es-1
  69. IronGargoyle, en, de-1
  70. Jameslwoodward, en, fr-1 (bureaucrat, checkuser)
  71. Jaqen, it, en-2
  72. Jarekt, pl, en
  73. JarrahTree, en, id-1
  74. Jcornelius, de, lt-2, la-2, en-2, pt-2, fr-1
  75. Jdforrester, en
  76. Jean-Frédéric, fr, en-4, es-1
  77. Jianhui67, en, zh-4, ja-2, ms-1
  78. Jmabel, en, es-3, ro-2, de-1, ca-1, it-1, pt-1, fr-1
  79. Joergens.mi, de, en-3
  80. JoKalliauer, de, en-3
  81. Jon Kolbert, en, fr-4, de-2 (steward)
  82. Josve05a, sv, en-3
  83. Julo, pl, en-2, de-1, ru-1
  84. Jusjih, zh, en-3, fr-2, ko-1
  85. Kadı, tr, en-5, fr-2, az-2
  86. Kaldari, en
  87. Kallerna, fi, en-3, sv-2, de-1
  88. King of Hearts, en, zh-3, es-2, ja-1
  89. Klemen Kocjancic, sl, en-3, de-2, hr-1, bs-1
  90. Krd, de, en-3 (bureaucrat, checkuser)
  91. Krinkle, nl, en-3, de-2
  92. Kritzolina, de, en-3, fr-2, it-1
  93. Leit, de, en-3, fr-1
  94. Léna, fr, en-3, es-1
  95. Leyo, gsw, de, en-3, fr-3, es-1, la-1
  96. Lofty abyss, en, mt, it-2
  97. Lymantria, nl, en-3, de-2, fy-2, fr-1, zea-1
  98. Magog the Ogre, en, es-2
  99. Mahagaja, en, de-4, fr-2, ga-2, la-2, cy-1
  100. Maire, pl, en-4, es-2, fr-2, de-2, ru-1
  101. Marcus Cyron, de, en-2
  102. Masur, pl, en-3, de-1
  103. Materialscientist, en-4, ru-4, nl-3, fr-1, es-1
  104. MB-one, de, en-3, fr-1, pt-1
  105. MBisanz, en
  106. Mdaniels5757, en, es-1
  107. MGA73, da, en-3, de-2, no-1, sv-1
  108. Mhhossein, fa, en-3, ar-1
  109. Micheletb, fr, en-3, it-1, es-1
  110. Mike Peel, en, pt-2, fr-1
  111. Minorax, en, zh (oversighter)
  112. Missvain, en
  113. Mitchazenia, en, es-2
  114. Miya, ja, en-2
  115. Moheen, bn, as-1, bpy-1, en-3, hi-1, hif-1
  116. Morgankevinj, en
  117. MPF, en, da-2, de-1, fr-1
  118. Multichill, nl, en-3, de-1, fr-1
  119. Mys 721tx, zh, en-3
  120. Nagy, de, en-3, fr-2, es-1, sv-1
  121. NahidSultan, bn, en-3, bpy-1
  122. Natuur12, nl, en-3, de-1
  123. Nick, en, sco-2, fr-1
  124. notafish, fr, en-4, de-3, es-2, it-2
  125. odder, pl, en-4, de-2 (bureaucrat, oversighter)
  126. Otourly, fr, en-2, it-1
  127. P199, en, nl, fr-2, tl-2, de-1
  128. Pi.1415926535, en, es-2
  129. Platonides, es, en-2, fr-1
  130. Poco a poco, es, de-4, en-3, fr-2, it-2, pl-2, pt-1
  131. Podzemnik, cs, en-2
  132. Polarlys, de, en-2, fr-1, no-1
  133. Pyb, fr, en-2
  134. Pymouss, fr, en-3, de-2, it-2, he-1
  135. Racconish, fr, en-4
  136. Ragesoss, en, de-1, fr-1
  137. Ra'ike, de, en-2
  138. Rama, fr, en-3, de-2, la-2, es-1, it-1, ja-1 (oversighter)
  139. Rastrojo, es, en-3, fr-2, eo-1
  140. Raymond, de, en-3, nl-1 (oversighter)
  141. Red-tailed hawk, en, es-4, pt-2, ug-1
  142. Regasterios, hu, en-1
  143. Rehman, en, si-1
  144. Reinhard Kraasch, de, en-3
  145. Rimshot, de, en-4, fr-2, it-1
  146. Romaine, nl, en-3, de-2, af-1, fr-1
  147. Rosenzweig, de, en-3, fr-1, la-1
  148. Royalbroil, en, es-1
  149. RP88, en, de-1
  150. Rubin16, ru, tt, en-4
  151. Rudolphous, nl, en-3, de-2
  152. Ruthven, it, fr, en-4, es-4, nap-4, ca-2, de-1
  153. Sanandros, als, de, en-3, fr-1
  154. Satdeep Gill, pa, en-5, hi-5, es-3, fr-2, fa-1
  155. Shizhao, zh, en-1, ru-1
  156. Spiritia, bg, en-3, ru-2, mk-2, de-1
  157. Sreejithk2000, ml, en-3, hi-3, ta-1, kn-1
  158. Steinsplitter, bar, de-4, it-3, en-1
  159. Stifle, en, ga, fr-2, de-1
  160. Storkk, en, fr-3, de-2, eo-2
  161. Strakhov, es, en-2
  162. TadejM, sl, en-3, de-2, fr-2
  163. Taivo, et, en-3, ru-3, de-1
  164. Tarawneh, en, ar, de-1
  165. Teles, pt, en-3, es-2
  166. Themightyquill, en, fr-2, de-1, hu-1
  167. The Squirrel Conspiracy, en
  168. Thibaut120094, fr, en-2, ja-1
  169. Thuresson, sv, en-3, no-2
  170. Trijnstel, nl, en-4, de-1, fr-1 (checkuser)
  171. Tulsi, ne, mai, en-3, hi-2, hif-2, bh-1
  172. Túrelio, de, en-3, es-1
  173. VIGNERON, fr, de-2, en-2, zh-1
  174. Wdwd, de, en-2
  175. Well-Informed Optimist, ru, uk-4, en-3
  176. Wikitanvir, bn, en-3, de-2, as-2, bpy-1
  177. Wutsje, fy, nl, en-3, de-2, fr-1
  178. Yann, fr, en-4, hi-2, gu-1
  179. Yasu, ja, en-2, de-1
  180. Ymblanter, ru, en-3, de-2, fr-2, nl-2, it-1, es-1
  181. Yuval CT, he, en-3
  182. Zzyzx11, en, es-1, fr-1
  183. علاء, ar, en-4, he-1, es-1 (steward)
  184. Abuse filter, (automated account)
  185. CommonsDelinker, (bot) see request
  186. KrinkleBot, (bot) see request

If 186 is not the last number on this list, there may be an error or there are some users assigned temporarily.

Técnico

Os administradores são utilizadores com habilidade técnica no Wikimedia Commons para:

  • apagar e restaurar imagens e outros ficheiros carregados, bem como ver e restaurar revisões apagadas
  • apagar e restaurar páginas, bem como ver e restaurar revisões apagadas
  • proteger e desproteger páginas, bem como editar páginas protegidas em qualquer nível
  • editar o namespace MediaWiki
  • acrescentar ou retirar determinados permissões de utilizadores
  • configurar campanhas do assistente de carregamento de arquivos (Upload Wizard)
  • ocultar ou restaurar entradas de registro ou revisões nas páginas
  • importar páginas de outras wikis
  • fundir históricos de páginas
  • modificar filtros antiabusos
  • não criar redirecionamentos ao mover uma página
  • ser imune às spoofing checks bem como à lista negra de nomes de utilizadores
  • mandar mensagens a múltiplos utilizadores de uma vez (massmessage)
  • usar limites de API mais altos

Estas são coletivamente conhecidas como ferramentas de administração.

Papel comunitário

Os administradores são membros experientes e confiáveis da comunidade do Commons que assumiram trabalhos de manutenção adicionais e foram confiados as ferramentas de administração por um processo público de consenso / voto. Diferentes administradores têm diferentes áreas de interesse e experiência, mas as tarefas típicas de um administrador incluem determinar e fechar pedidos de eliminação, deletar violações de direitos autorais, remover ficheiros sempre que necessário, proteger o Commons contra vandalismo e trabalhar em predefinições e outras páginas protegidas. Claro, algumas dessas tarefas também podem ser feitas por não-administradores.

Espera-se que os administradores compreendam os objetivos deste projeto e estejam preparados para trabalhar construtivamente com os outros para esses fins. Os administradores também devem entender e seguir as políticas do Commons e, quando apropriado, respeitar o consenso da comunidade.

Além das funções que exigem o uso das ferramentas de administração, os administradores não possuem autoridade editorial especial em virtude de sua posição, e em discussões e votos públicos, suas contribuições são tratadas da mesma maneira que qualquer editor comum. Alguns administradores podem se tornar mais influentes, não devido à sua posição como tal, mas a partir da confiança pessoal que podem ter obtido da comunidade.

Sugestões para administrador

Por favor, leia a guia para administradores.

Remoção dos privilégios administrativos

De acordo com a política de remoção dos privilégios administrativos, esta permissão pode ser revogada por inatividade ou uso inadequado das ferramentas administrativas. In a de-admin request, normal standards for determining consensus in an RfA do not apply. Instead, "majority consensus" should be used, whereby any consensus to demote of higher than 50% is sufficient to remove the admin.

Candidatando-se para se tornar um administrador

Todos os interessados em se tornar administradores devem passar por este processo e se submeter a um RFA, incluindo todos os ex-administradores que estão buscando retornar às suas funções anteriores.

Em primeiro lugar, leia as informações que se encontram em Commons:Administrators/Howto. Depois faça seu pedido na secção que se encontra abaixo.

  • Depois de clicar no botão correspondente e de criar a subpágina, copie o link para a nova subpágina, por exemplo "Commons:Administrators/Requests/Username", edite Commons:Administrators/Requests e cole o link no início da seção, depois ponha-o entre chaves duplas para realizar a transclusão.
  • Se outro utilizador nomeou-lhe, por favor aceite a nomeação indicando "eu aceito" ou algo similar, bem como assinando abaixo da nomeação. A subpágina ainda precisa ser transcluída por você ou seu nomeador.


Na caixa de abaixo, substitua "Username" pelo teu nome de utilizador:

Votação

Qualquer usuário registrado pode votar aqui, embora aqueles que tenham poucas ou nenhuma edição anterior podem não ser totalmente contados. É preferível que você dê razões tanto para  apoiar como também para  opor-se, assim ajudando o burocrata que encerrar o pedido em sua decisão. Os argumentos, contendo, se necessário, evidências e provas, tem maior peso do que simplesmente votar.

Para o pedido ser aprovado, normalmente requer-se 75% de votos a favor, com um mínimo de 8 votos favoráveis. Não se contam os votos de utilizadores não registados. No entanto, o burocrata que fecha a nomeação pode usar seu poder discricionário para determinar o consenso da comunidade, pelo que a decisão não se baseia necessariamente nos números indicados.

Os comentários neutros, indicados com o modelo  neutro, não são contatos nas estatísticas indicadas no parágrafo anterior para que o burocrata determine o resultado da votação. Estes comentários são parte da discussão, podendo persuadir outros utilizadores e permitir que o burocrata entenda melhor o consenso da comunidade.

Purgar o cache Use o link que está abaixo para editar a página transcluída.

Requests for adminship

When complete, pages listed here should be archived to Commons:Administrators/Archive.

  • Please read Commons:Administrators before voting here. Any logged in user may vote although those who have few or no previous edits may not be fully counted.


Gnom

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Gnom (talk · contributions · deleted user contributions · recent activity · logs · block log · global contribs · CentralAuth) (Activity: Talk Commons DR)

Scheduled to end: 17:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
talking about legal questions relating to GLAM activities in 2018...
...about personality rights at Wikimania 2016...
...and about EU copyright reform at Italian WikiCon in 2018

Hello, and thank you for allowing me to put myself forward as an administrator.

As a media and IT lawyer from Hamburg, Germany, I have been a Wikipedian since 2005 and have been contributing to Commons since 2006/2007. Between 2014 and 2022, I was also a member of the board of Wikimedia Deutschland. Adding to my professional background, I was a legal fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation during the summer of 2013, and one of the privacy ombudspeople from 2014 until 2017. Over the years, I have been active on several Wikimedia projects in the field of copyright and personality rights – some of you may have seen me talk about these topics at Wikimanias and WikiCons, or in the copyright forum over at German-language Wikipedia. You may also have seen me file or contribute to occasional deletion requests on Commons, most of them relating to copyright-related issues.

My most relevant contribution as an administrator would probably be my experience around copyright law and personality rights, both from my 'day job' as well from my regular contributions in these areas a Wikimedian. Actually, my doctoral thesis on German and European copyright protection for works of applied art was inspired by a discussion on Wikipedia and Commons. Accordingly, you would certainly see most (if not all) of my activities as an administrator around legal questions relating to photos and other media on Commons.

In summary, I am hoping that while I may currently not be one of the most active users on Commons, my legal experience will prove useful to the Commons community. Thank you for considering my candidacy, and please let me know if you have any questions. I can respond in English, German, French, Italian, and Spanish. --Gnom (talk) 17:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Votes

  •  Support, no issues--Ymblanter (talk) 17:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose No recent activity in admin releated areas, not shown what admin rights are intended to be used for, and the mentioned intended activities don't require admin rights at all. --Krd 17:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support I think it would be good if they had the mop. Abzeronow (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support Copyright expertise will be valuable. Jeffrey Beall (talk) 20:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose per Krd --Stepro (talk) 20:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose similar as Krd. Reading your CV, I also believe you might be a good admin for commons, but maybe you should also be editing a bit more. I'd likely support if you were to run after you've made some impact in the discussions around copyright.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Neutral The candidate makes a clear case for useful past experience but doesn't present any need for the tools. An expert on German copyright law would be quite useful on the copyright noticeboard or in related deletion discussions, but neither role requires admin rights. From Hill To Shore (talk) 01:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Changing to  Support per answers below. From Hill To Shore (talk) 08:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Neutral I agree with above commenters. Copyright expertise is valuable, undoubtedly, but you could first show your skills by participating in RFDs, requesting speedy deletions, reporting copyright violations, etc.. Had you started that way, I would have supported wholeheartedly. Bedivere (talk) 03:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose Obviously a decent candidate but without real involvement in community/admin issues it is not possible for me to support sadly (looks like 4 DRs have been created in about 6 months). Herby talk thyme 08:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support looks ok, based on his activity including his recent participation in deletion requests.--RZuo (talk) 09:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose per above. Concerns with limited recent experience in admin-related areas -FASTILY 10:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support Trusted user --Ameisenigel (talk) 10:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support per nom and the answer at 08:46 below.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose Edit count way too low after 17 years; you should have had at least 30K edits by now. 20 upper 13:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not trying to influence your opinion, but how do you come up with this number? Ymblanter (talk) 13:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There are requirements that must be fulfilled if an editor genuinely wants to become an administrator on Wikimedia Commons. Every admin should have at least 10,000 edits. If an editor has edited on Wikimedia Commons for five years or fewer, 10,000 edits is a reasonable criterion. I would anticipate roughly 11–20K edits after 6–10 years, above 20K modifications after 11–15 years, and 30+K edits after 16–20 years. If you are serious about Wikimedia Commons, you should be able to meet those standards with ease. Even though I've only been on the site for a year, I've participated in more DRs than they have. They must establish a reputation in that field if they want to use their admin tools there. 20 upper 14:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thank you but IMO this is completely insane. Ymblanter (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support I would like to have you as an admin here. We need everyone who is trustworthy and knows our policies and especially copyright laws. To address the concerns: If we make the requirements for new admins to high we will never get enough people so manage the huge workload. GPSLeo (talk) 19:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support per above, furthermore we have plenty of administrators who are less active than the candidate and maybe some of us are even less competent than the candidate. At best they will help, at worst I am sure that no irreparable harm will be done with the tools. Thank you for volunteering. Christian Ferrer (talk) 20:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support looks competent to me, it's all that matters. – Ammarpad (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support no issues --Heitersberg (talk) 08:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose per Krd and others --DCB (talk) 10:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support LGTM —MdsShakil (talk) 10:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Weak support, mostly per Christian Ferrer, very low activity in administrative areas but has good knowledge, I think they can be very helpful to the project, but I hope they will actually use the rights (as said in answer to my question) and don't just hold onto it. -- CptViraj (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose --Adamant1 (talk) 18:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support --Hinnerk11 (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support MZaplotnik(talk) 04:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support --Jaqen (talk) 08:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support Юрий Д.К 09:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support --Lymantria (talk) 09:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 10:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments

  •  Question: In which administrative areas do you plan to work? -- CptViraj (talk) 04:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Hello @CptViraj, thank you for your question. I am planning to help with deletion requests relating to copyright and personality rights – I also wrote about this above. Does this already answer your question, or is there anything else you would like to know? Gnom (talk) 08:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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 Question You are sysop in test wiki, but you have made there only 1 edit. Why? Taivo (talk) 10:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey @Taivo, good question :-) – I just checked the log: I was made a sysop on the test wiki in 2014 by Nemo bis to learn about abuse filters in my capacity as privacy ombudsman. I then made my only edit on test wiki in 2017 when XanonymusX asked me to help with a music-related project. Is there anything else you would like to know? Gnom (talk) 10:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Question Earlier this year you added a comment to a closed deletion discussion and were reverted.[1] As you intend to do admin work in the deletion space, do you understand why you were reverted and how would you handle a similar situation in future? From Hill To Shore (talk) 20:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello @From Hill To Shore, I should obviously have followed up with the closing admin on their talk page. (I should probably still do that, because there might actually still be an issue with the painting in that picture. @Reinhard Kraasch had initially fixed it, but now it is back.) Gnom (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In this specific case (as an OTRS/VRT ticket is involved) I would advise going to Commons:Volunteer Response Team/Noticeboard as the best option. However, contacting the closing admin directly is also valid as they should redirect you if they can't give an answer themselves. From Hill To Shore (talk) 08:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@From Hill To Shore: My thinking is that as far as I understand, in this case, it has already been clarified that the VRT ticket does not refer to the painting, so we do not have a release for the painting but only for the photograph itself. Gnom (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC))Reply[reply]

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